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Is collusion. we are talking about the chief person on the trump campaign at that time, paul manafort, giving private polling data essentially to the russians. it's funny, isn't it, that we now learn at the other end of the scale that we now have roger stone communicating with guccifer 2, communicating with wikileaks. again, collusion. we are beginning to see the knitted links in the chain between members of the trump organization and the russians. and the question will then be, the old watergate question, what did trump know and when did he know it? >> and this is important. you've put it tog...

>> well, we're widely expecting that mueller will put this together in a report for us. we don't know that. he hasn't confirmed that. he's been famously close-mouthed here. we do know now that we've got adam schiff, jerry nadler and others in the house who are beginning to put the pieces together themselves. whatever mueller does not give them, is not able to give them, they're going to be working to assemble into i think what will be by the end of this year a very coherent story that i think will be quite -- quite conclusive as to what was going on in this campaign. >> nelson, thank you for j...

To donald trump's campaign. who puts that all together? >> well, we're widely expecting that mueller will put this together in a report for us. we don't know that. he hasn't confirmed that. he's been famously close-mouthed here. we do know now that we've got adam schiff, jerry nadler and others in the house who are beginning to put the pieces together themselves. whatever mueller does not give them, is not able to give them, they're going to be working to assemble into i think what will be by the end of this year a very coherent story that i think will be quite -- quite conclusive as to what w...

With them. a source familiar with the matter tells nbc news that the interview took place late last year around the same time that then chief of staff john kelly met with mueller's team. okay. this is where we need a leg expert to interpret tonight's breaking news. we have former federal prosecutor nelson cunningham to do just that. he's got invaluable experience as the general counsel of the senate judiciary committee under then senator biden. here to tell us what this means politically for the president and his associates, "the washington post's" jennifer ruben. she is an msnbc contributor. ...

Interview took place late last year around the same time that then chief of staff john kelly met with mueller's team. okay. this is where we need a leg expert to interpret tonight's breaking news. we have former federal prosecutor nelson cunningham to do just that. he's got invaluable experience as the general counsel of the senate judiciary committee under then senator biden. here to tell us what this means politically for the president and his associates, "the washington post's" jennifer ruben. she is an msnbc contributor. welcome to both of you tonight. nelson, let's start with you. we've g...