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Supporters continue to talk about is a false narrative. it's a false narrative because we know the mueller investigation has indicted, charged and got pleas and even people have gone to jail, something like 30 to 40 already. so if it's a hoax, it's not much of a hoax, it's a reality. this narrative they continue to embrace and talk about this conspiracy, deep state, ndoj, just isn't real. it's their particular rhetoric but it's not the particular reality we're looking at. the mueller investigation is coming to a close, i think perhaps the next three-muss plus months, but the other reality is t...

Fbi counterintelligence investigation into whether or not the president of the united states is working on behalf of russia. let's take a listen. >> i find it astonishing, and to me, it tells me a lot about the people running the fbi. how can the fbi do that? what kind of checks and balances are there? >> throughout that whole summer when these investigations started, you had vladimir putin policies almost being parroted by donald trump. these are not actions of a traditional president of the united states. >> if i were the president, i would embrace the story, because it backs up his narrativ...

For whatever purpose. so that is sort of a foundational concept of our constitution. and in the act that you mentioned, 1878, congress followed up on that concept and said, listen, if anyone willfully uses two branchs of military were identified in that act, willfully uses that can go to prison. so i think the president is pushing the boundary in ways i don't think anyone anticipated because we assumed the rule of law and norms are going to be adhered to by the president. and the president is going to put people in a situation where they have to violate an act of congress or violate the direct...

Stalled where people aren't going to have enough food. when you're talking about irs tax reimbursement checks not going out. you're talking about animals at the national zoo, the frozen foods running out. i think that is, probably, by most accounts an emergency, at least for these people affected. and as was said, this is just -- it's hard to justify when you think about a national emergency in the act that nelson mentioned, the idea really is there will be some checks in that statue by congress on the president for abusing that emergency power. there has to be a real emergency. so i think in ...

I think roberts would be reluctant to give him that power. i think roberts really, i mean that is such a challenge. we couldn't run the country if trump were able to do that legally and roberts knows that. i think he would have a tough uphill climb. he may try to do that. the big problem is going to be what does the military do if they're ordered to do that by trump? >> right. >> i think there would be a lot of resignations. >> but howard, i don't know if you heard nelson cunningham speaking about 15 minutes ago about this -- >> i did. >> he brought up a good point, he said if the president is...