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That time, paul manafort, giving private polling data essentially to the russians. it's funny, isn't it, that we now learn at the other end of the scale that we now have roger stone communicating with guccifer 2, communicating with wikileaks. again, collusion. we are beginning to see the knitted links in the chain between members of the trump organization and the russians. and the question will then be, the old watergate question, what did trump know and when did he know it? >> and this is important. you've put it together, jennifer. tom, what we're -- what we're looking at is -- nelson, i'm s...

It's funny, isn't it, that we now learn at the other end of the scale that we now have roger stone communicating with guccifer 2, communicating with wikileaks. again, collusion. we are beginning to see the knitted links in the chain between members of the trump organization and the russians. and the question will then be, the old watergate question, what did trump know and when did he know it? >> and this is important. you've put it together, jennifer. tom, what we're -- what we're looking at is -- nelson, i'm sorry. what we're looking at is two guys who have had longtime relationships with do...

He hasn't confirmed that. he's been famously close-mouthed here. we do know now that we've got adam schiff, jerry nadler and others in the house who are beginning to put the pieces together themselves. whatever mueller does not give them, is not able to give them, they're going to be working to assemble into i think what will be by the end of this year a very coherent story that i think will be quite -- quite conclusive as to what was going on in this campaign. >> nelson, thank you for joining us tonight. nelson cunningham. jennifer ruben, stay with us. coming up, a veteran republican steps ...

Interpretation? >> yeah, i agree it would be very difficult and i think it's something that would reach the appellate court and even the supreme court. but i would supplement what he said by saying this, we have extraordinary facts here of a president where counterintelligence investigation that was turned over to mueller, but before mueller got involved, was of the president. the fbi and doj did that because they serve the people of the united states, not necessarily the president. secondly, if you juxtapose all of the facts leading up to this investigation, all of the contacts between trump'...

Either work out a deal with the white house or the supreme court will have to decide, and i think both sides have strong allegations. i think the house has a better chance of getting it because they can go into close-door meetings, they can have it classified and be limited from the public. with the mueller piece you have that too but the mueller is part of a criminal investigation and that report may be made public or may not be. >> and scott, the headline again in "the post" legal team was 17 new attorneys to battle democrats. does that make sense with the topics of potential legal arguments...