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$5.6 billion in savings over 30 years. a, that's not very much money. and that is proposed savings. and that number comes from a lobbyist. isn't this a classic case of the lobbyists jumping in? the super committee is deliberating. you don't sound convinced. >> that you don't want to see any reduction in the debt. >> what's that got to do with it? >> what's the difference between -- why do you love the paper bill so much? >> it's not that i love the paper bill so much. you're having a go at me this morning. it's not so much that i love the paper currency. it's that i don't trust a figure of $5.6 billion in savings over 30 years. and there are all kinds of people lining up against a dollar coin, you know? i mean -- >> when we had the susan b. anthony dollar coin, that didn't take off. people thought it was a quarter. >> right, exactly. it didn't take off. still out there. i'll give you an example. in the 1960's in britain, they introduced a new coin, ok? a big, new coin.