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Cover this guy aggressively and fairly. and that means not letting personalities get in the way. of course, it's annoying if somebody says that you are the failing "new york times." especially by the way since it's not true. >> you want to scream, what -- no, no. then you look defensive. >> that's right. the way my view is the way to deal with all questions about journalism is more journalism, more journalism, deep investigative reporting and to put whatever personal stuff he says about my institution off to the side. other than the fact that some of the things he says about journalists and jo...

Color the bases on plastic flowers and trees. but it hadn't been manufactured since 1971. the pellets in the drum were the kind used to make plastic flowers and leaves like the one found with the body. the local newspaper coverage of the unidentified woman in the steel drum led to an anonymous telephone call to the nassau county police. >> he tells us about the drum, where it comes from. he tells us that was the chemicals that they used when they were mixing the bases for these artificial trees. he puts all this together. he puts everything in perspective for us. >> the caller did not know t...

Now it's been extended, i guess if you bring a note from your parents or something you can get more time. jim geherety, 6 million signups. the original target was 7 million. how much of the media kind of embraced this as an unqualified success? >> i think largely. in some corners, people actually cover this who are on this beat say actually, there's questions. they're counting bought meaning you put it into your shopping cart. you talk to the insurers and they'll say anywhere from 15% is a much higher percent, they buy it and then they forget to pay for it. in most stores, that doesn't count a...

That newspaper coverage has been diligent in mentioning the factors such as we don't know how these people are going to pay for it. cbs, nightly news, i'm wondering what your take is because this is one of those things where the number sounds good, but then the spinners come in. >> i don't even think it's the numbers. you know, from a totally apolitical point of view, we don't know, right? i mean, the administration says they lack the data. you say why don't they? well, the insurance companies have the data, we'll see. we'll see how it plays out. but i think that the narrative has been driven ...

Choosing sides, if you're on one side, you believe benghazi -- that's how it's going to play out up until the elections if these are presumably our candidates, which i don't think we can say that yet. these will be the footballs that will be used. >> i have no idea who the candidates are going to be. i don't think benghazi has been ignored. there certainly has been a lot of newspaper coverage and on television. but a lot of people see the media through a partisan lens, so if you're a democrat, you love the story of chris christie getting roughed up and you make the opposite conclusion on somet...