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One of the front runners to replace him the chief of staff for vp, vice president mike pence, speculation swirling that president trump he confirmed that president trump will tap healther nowert, former fox news colleague of ours for u.n. ambassador and william bar for attorney general. here to break it all down, a guy who knows the vice president very well his former press secretary, mark lotter, what do you make of the news that john kelly is on the way out, and the fact that nick airs will replace him likely? >> well this is the kind of speculation that goes on in every white house, in fact...

Restraints upon him which is bad thing for the country. one can criticize certain things that john kelly did as chief of staff. the one real significance of this is john kelly could say no to donald trump. he was his pier, his age and stature. he could pick up the phone and call rex tillerson. rex tillerson and jim are doing things. nick ayers will not tell donald

Money is not an issue now. there is so much money from so many different places. i can't imagine how much is going to be spent. you have a shrinking number, arguably of battle-ground states, politico report says it's only six now. you know, you have a michael bloomberg who has enough money. he can write his own checks. he has experience. he knows donald trump. he is somebody who is not playing his game. what sort of is on your list? who is on your list. >> i want to layer one thing on top of what nick said, the reason democrats did well in 2018 were for all the reasons he said plus they had a ...

Joining me new new york times political reporter who is an msnbc political analyst. nick, if i get one question more than any other from voters it's not who can from voters is not n beat donald trump is what kind of candidate beats donald trump? is there an answer. >> the person that can beat trump is somebody who doesn't try to be donald trump. you can't beat him at his own game. and shouldn't try. the democrats won the house back by ignoring the president and campaigning on policy and health care staying away from the din and kiebl news and twitter and newspaper op-ed pages pan focusing on p...

He will be he replaced by nick airs. this news coming on a day when the president confirmed to other news on his administration's car carousel. >> bill barr will serve. she'll be ambassador to the united nations. she's very talented. very smart. >> joining me now is nbc news national political reporter carol lee and bill crystal. what is kelly's expected departure mean for the white house now? >> it means that essentially there will be a shake up at the top tier of the white house and there's going to be a changing of the guard.