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Because they want to believe that because they want to into the best in him. >> righ >> who does it hurt other than -- >> it's not only his voters. nick chrisoff in the "new york times" is saying we could have a new model of international relations being set up here between trump and kim. now, i think that's ridiculous, but if there is a crew of people who are so excited at the prospect of deal uberalis, just say you have a deal and that's great, he can ride that for quite a long time, until the actual truth comes out and there is no deal and everything was garbage. >> i think we need to make ...

Telling a story about him in prison and how when he was on robben island, he never acted like a prisoner. he had the bearing and command presence not of a prisoner but of, in fact, the guy that was running the joint. >> there's frequent talk of the nobility with which mandela carried himself. that translated, nick, you pointed this out today into his generosity with both the people that were against him, the folks imprisoning him. you write in your column my favorite fact about nelson mandela was that he lived -- he invited one of his white jailers who helped imprison him 20 years to the inaug...

And not cater to extremism and intolerance. >> congressman steve israel, thank you so much for your time today. back to our journalists here. nick, president obama talked about this in his interview with the new republic. he says he has a profound respect for hunting. quote, and i think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake. part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas, end quote. what do you think? what part of this is about gun owners and the culture that maybe the left...

Magazines to no more than ten bullets. at the end of the day the single thing in the president's proposal that is going to make the most difference is universal background checks. this is the heart of it. 40% of gun sales right now don't go through background checks. >> as we know we had bill clinton earlier on say be careful about the way the issue is approached. >> is framed. >> is framed. that's correct. >> yes. another thing that is -- that would make a huge difference is if guns were stored safely. right now typically they're not. one of the things in the president's proposal is simply to...

Thanksgiving if they got an extension. but the folks to watch right now are john kerry. he's a democrat most likely to brank ranks. he wants to deal the most. if he and possible a other m thes on the commit tee could go over, you could see a deal. but right now the expectation is if there is a deal, six republicans and either one or four democrats. not six republicans and six democrats. >> nick, one of the magic beans that was talked about in the "new york times" was an escape hatch. basically pushing down some of the details. is that a possibility here? >> i think that it's always incredibly ...