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Thought, kind of drawing on the writings of hagel is we have the administrative state, the political, where you have the politician when is are elected, and the administrative. and the administrative then has your technocrats, your civiler is ve civiler is ve er i civil servants, and those who draft the legislation because politicians can't be trusted to get it right. a lot of this i learned and came into a more deep understanding of it through the claremont institute which is an important think tank on the west coast based on the constitutional governmentnance and study of statesmanship. i wa...

I'm not one. >> glenn: you're not yet. can you tell me first of all how do you go to washington and not lose your soul? >> well, that is a really important question. you go to washington and not lose your soul by staying in touch with the people who sent you there. but you know, i've never run for public office before. our founding fathers intended ours to be a citizen government. by, for and of the people. they were business people and farmers. they went to washington and they left after a while with great relief. i'm sure if i'm lucky enough to be sent to washington, i don't want to stay the...

Put off the discipline and the tough choices necessary to actually cut spending. so first, no new taxes. secondly, we have to return to the people who create the american dream. innovators, entrepreneurs, small business owners, the ability to actually run their businesses. and we're killing that today. third, we actually have to cut spending. cut it. not freeze it. >> glenn: what are you going to cut? >> start with president obama's budget, that federal government employees grow by 14.5%. those are more bureaucrats to do more thing. start with the fact there are many bipartisan estimates that ...

Today president clinton and i are joining together to appeal to you with real urgency. give now, and lives will be saved. thank you. thank you. >> glenn: we heard from carly fiorina running for if senate primary. chuck devore running for same seat but running as tea party favorite and they're going head-to-head. i saw you guys on the set. you were very nice to each other. you play nice together. i have to -- let me start with a couple of things. i asked carly fiorina are you going to be in bed with the

Special interest and she said no. let me just give you some of the stats on you. paw pack created in 1980 the first organization dedicated to election of candidates for state office in california who are committed to the well-being of animals. they gave you an "f." >> ask my dog about that, by the way. >> glenn: california league of conservation voters have given you out of 100 a rating of five. the sierra club out of 100 has given you a zero. [ laughter ] boised on a point system with points assigned for of for planned parenthood gave you a zero. [ laughter ] neiral -- you were anti-choice by...