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I mean jackie and josh's reporting makes clear that it is still completely porous, open to the rantings, and, you know, the legacy of tom finton's legal jihads is decades and decades long, it actually predates the clinton years. he's not a criminal defense attorney representing donald trump, yet he is governing the things he will and will not do to avoid jail time at the end of the day. do you have any sense if that's been tightened up by the new stewards of trump's criminal defense effort? >> no, no. you know -- >> thank you for your brevity and candor. >> no. donald trump -- i disagree with ...

Rationale that would change the way presidents interact with the president department. they argue u.s. presidents should not keep federal law enforcement at arm's length but instead should treat the justice department no differently than any other cabinet agency. they are condemning mr. biden and democrats for what they claim is the politicalization of the justice system. with this reporting, it's a frightening lurch authority authoritarianism by the ex-president. not one quietly happening under the surface or in back rooms but one being set overtly before podiums right before all of our eyes....

Exercise that doesn't come to the conclusion that norms are not enough to protect valued institutions from donald trump. they are inadequate in every instance. i was thinking earlier in the day and last night when i read this reporting, can i say that there's no agency he sought to pervert and exploit more than doj? if you saw him hollow out state and diplomacy and undermine diplomats and fire people and undermine the efforts of people representing the united states and ukraine and export zelenskyy, and threaten to withdraw from nato, would you say there's nothing more damaged than the state d...

The complexity is that it conflates what the rules might allow with the norms of how the government actually works in the modern era, which sometimes are just as important. this is a pattern with trump in general where he finds spaces where things just aren't done, even if there's not a law against that, and exploits that space. this may be the most important area where the gap between how the law has worked for the last 50 years in our country and what the actual legal rules are about a president's control of an agency that's not an independent agency, that creates an opportunity for some dra...

Escalating threats against the department he once oversaw. from that piece, trump's message was that the justice department charged him only because he is biden's political owe poe next. two trump-appointed people are investigating trump. two men who served in the trump administration have emerged as figures in this movement to rid doj of its independence. the former director of the office and management and the former doj official jeffrey clark. more from the reporting. they are promoting a legal