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Operate like this, like what is said in "new york times" would have quite a bit of detail on it. if any of that is true this is a red line in this country. you can't do this to political campaigns. this was done, i mean according to them, this was done in the spring. before the counter intelligence investigation was open. if that was true we need to know about it. >> dana: help me understand how should we think about this for people that are not steeped in the law as you are and don't have the experience at the justice department? especially this difference between a criminal investigation and...

Informant may be the only way to build a case. therefore the informant has to testify, it becomes public. other times you basically phase the informant out. you use the informant to get information for a wiretap or use the informant to introduce an undercover agent in the situation. and knock them out of play so you never have to disclose them. generally speaking they won't want to turn it over publicly and i wouldn't expect the inspector general to name them publicly. >> dana: we just found before the show started that president trump is meeting with the f.b.i. director and the deputy attorne...

This happened, in terms of the lost billions, happened on hillary clinton's watch. what's very interesting is for most of hillary's term as secretary of state, there was no state department up specter general, meaning she wasn't watching taxpayer money as it was being spent to her department, and she had no inspector general, no i.g., to do it for her. >> but there was an inspector general prior to her arrival? >> yes. >> so you could make the argument she's trying to keep the world at peace and all this. too busy doing big stuff like that. you say -- >> this is all part of her job. of course,...

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