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Were asking for money in private. and he says, you'd better pay. >> there's a huge price to not pay the price of the campaign request. >> reporter: really? >> there's a price in terms of access. there's a price in terms of interest by the member. and so if you haven't paid your price of entry, who are you? i've actually been asked by a member, who are you? because i've never met you before. now that the election is over you're coming to ask me for something? where were you before the election? to me, that is just -- puts a sickness in my stomach to realize that it's all about the money. >> rep...

Some members of congress even threatened to nationalize his industry. the televised hearings, all political theater, he says. when the camera light's turned off, some of the very members who criticized him in public were asking for money in private. and he says you'd better pay. >> there's a huge price to not pay the price of the campaign request. >> really? >> there's a price in terms of access, there's a price in terms of interest by the member. and so if you haven't paid your price of entry, who are you? i've actually been asked by a member. who are you? because i've never met you before. n...

Election? and to me, that is just -- it puts a sickness in my stomach to realize that it's all about the money. >> what i think you're describing to me is wink and a nod extortion. >> it's pay to play. and i agree with the word "extortion." as harsh a word as that is, it's an atrocity that nobody seems to care about because it just goes on and goes on and goes on. >> reporter: we wanted to ask utah democratic congressman jim mathison about fundraising at his breakfast, and specifically why he was raising money for his political action committee at the same time he was deciding to leave congres...

Money. >> what i think you're describing to me is wink and a nod extortion. >> it's pay to play. and i agree with the word "extortion." as harsh a word as that is, it's an atrocity that nobody seems to care about because it just goes on and goes on and goes on. >> reporter: we wanted to ask utah democratic congressman jim mathison about fundraising at his breakfast, and specifically why he was raising money for his political action committee at the same time he was deciding to leave congress. he wasn't interested. we also wanted to ask michigan republican klman dave kemp why he needed so much ...