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let's be clear, this is far from a done deal. until you actually see the indictment, the charges, a lot can happen between now and even the potential for that happening. but sources are telling cnn that new york city, state, and federal law enforcement agencies have been meeting all week long to prepare for the possibility of an indictment. and it will be a stunning surrender of a former president of this country. with all that, talk about fingerprinting, mug shots, an arraignment, a perp walk of a former president of the united states. what his own attorneys telling t new york daily...

It's always been about vuk timhood and vengeance against him. if this happens, this is going to be a clall to the maga extremist base that will still do anything for him and still believes that he should be president today. >> but, brad, you're at that point -- your point though, brad -- i feel you're nodding. the lawyer in me is nodding back. we're having messaging each other. in the idea of there's a political reaction to it and then there's the, is that the consideration if someone breaks the law? >> yeah. and that can't be the consideration of any prosecutor, either way, whether it be a re...