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All of the other stuff they're just not that interested in doing it. and that's the reason that it's really hard to see how immigration reform gets done, despite the fact that george bush is for it despite the fact that marco rubio's for it despite the fact that steve schmitt will advocate for it now. >> let me ask. steve, there's a theory with growing momentum that republicans don't need hispanic votes. that they need more white votes. this is a conservative activist voicing that argument in a may radio interview. >> the people of the republican should reach out to are the white votes that th...

Establishment-run nomination system they give us a series of losers which they've given us with dole and mccain and romney. >> now, karl rove disagrees, writing in a recent "wall street journal" op-ed a reagan-like percentage of white voters would yield a narrower win because the nonwhite share of the vote doubled to 28% in 2013 from 13% in 84. the reality is that the nonwhite share of the vote will keep growing if the gop leaves nonwhite voters to the democrats, then it's margins and safe congressional districts, and red states will dwindle. who has the right answer, steve schmidt? >> karl ro...

Despite the fact that steve schmitt will advocate for it now. >> there's a theory with growing momentum republicans don't need hispanic votes, they need more white votes. this is a conservative activist voicing that argument in a may radio interview. >> the people of the republican should reach out to are the white votes that the white voters are who didn't vote in the last election and there are millions of them. i think when you have an establishment-run nomination system they give us a series of losers which they've given us with dole and mccain and romney. >> now, karl rove disagrees, writ...

>> but i think just in terms of sheer numbers, there were so many were bush, there were so many more bush nominees confirmed. >> and that brings me to the point i want to get to, what it seems we have is a very broken nomination system and approval system and a one-way ratchet of obstruction. i want you to tell me how we get the ratchet going in the other direction after this. strip away the rearview monitors, tv screens, bluetooth... and even the cup holders. you know what's left? the only suv's with american-built f-alpha truck frames. the ruggedly capable pathfinder, xterra, armada. nissan....

Did you interview these folks, what is it that made you say, okay, do you know what, they'll be there, there's no way that the clintons are going to be able to pry this person away from us? >> typically the way we did the slating in the states is we would work with our local supporters in the states to select the delegates, but i reviewed every list for every state to make sure that i was comfortable with the folks who were going. i might not have known them, but i asked the right questions to make sure. >> you know, this fight for delegates to get to a convention, i have to ask, it does make ...