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peddling denial. but you do get that is not the whole story, right? you understand the vaccine is not a cure-all. it won't get us out of the pandemic, not anytime soon. there are so many out there, i hear you on the radio, i see you on social media, i get your responses to the show. biden's doing a good job, take the win, why do you keep saying the situation is so dire? because it is. vaccine, biden, not enough. he's not trump. he's not going to tell you he's one move away and only he can fix. too many americans insist on falling short. so yeah, the vaccine's a step forward. but we'r...

i had a little bit with him tonight. you guys are playing it too safe. and this is a balancing test. okay, there are going to be cases, but the vaccine, the rate of vaccine, who we've gotten vaccinated already, the fact that there is an increase in masks, messaging has been working with trump out of the way, not all surges are the same. and you have to balance that against the depression to the economy, the depression to our way of life of just straight up depression, and you're playing it too safe. >> how -- better safe than sorry. i don't believe in this playing it too safe. >> i a...