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With his ambassador about foreign policy issues? >> very unusual, joy. number one, normally an ambassador doesn't talk to the president of the united states on any kind of telephone call on a routine basis. number two, you have this being done over a nonsecured device that could be readily intercepted by a number of foreign governments but in this case particularly russia given how wired the country of ukraine is by russian intelligence. >> now, you did write in -- you said to "the washington post" -- you quoted by saying the security ramifications are insane. using an open cellphone to commun...

She was very concerned and felt threatened. >> because she was threatened, joy. that's thinly veiled. it's consistent and completely in character with the other kinds of things he said throughout the time he was candidate and served as president. >> let me bring you in there. this has been called dumb watergate. it's been called sort of donald trump being in a mafioso way. the idea he's be on the phone, on a cellphone talking with his ambassador about the very thing he's going to be impeach said for, how unusual -- this is almost a rhetorical question -- for the president of the united states ...