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this with other units around the country. so while i wouldn't go so far as to say all specialized units are inherently bad, i do think there is way to do hot spot policing without having these elite specialized units, and that all such units should be met with careful supervision and very careful training to overcome the very natural temptation for them to feed off on each other and become overaggressive. >> isn't that about leadership, though? isn't it about oversight and leadership? obviously, you want people to have an esprit de corps as being involved in what they're doing. obviously you don't want the negative aspects of how that can be in that sort of hyper violent way. >> well, that's true. and i think it does require leadership. and it does require supervision. you know, we have a relatively new police chief who has been on the job for a year and a half. and i think she acknowledges that this needs to be a review of these specialized units there needs to be a review of the type of training and crucially

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departments, memphis included, will be looking at if we're going to have specialized units out there with citywide authority focused on crime and acting independently, the training has to go way up. but on the body-worn camera issue, you know, they start off with the cameras rolling because they think they are doing the right thing. as they lose track of doing the right thing, i'm not sure that they came to that realization. and the cameras have been interesting because they've caused complaints against police to go down, because the person who might make something up knows there is a recording. on the other hand, it's caused a lot of complaints against police to be substantiated because when the person guess forward with it, despite the fact that they know it's on tape, usually the tape tells the truth. >> that's interesting. chuck, the police department in memphis has been praised for how quickly they responded to, although some now pointing out it's the police department, the mayor's office that created the scorpion unit that the officers belonged to in the first place.

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>> well, i don't either. when we first gave cops body worn cameras, the assumption was they would change their behavior, they would act differently. i think in some cases that is. but in this case, it's just absolutely astonishing that these officers could act this way. i think they actually forgot that they were wearing them. and maybe at the very end, it's something dawned on them that, you know, we've done something bad. >> john, how do you see with body cameras? and when you listen to it, the sheer volume of officers yelling different instructions at this person, i don't know how anybody could comply with all of those. >> well, one of the things -- we went through all of this in new york. and one of the things we did was seven-day training course. and in the training course was de-escalation. they're not de-escalating. team tactics. they're not functioning as a team. they're all yelling something else. minimum force techniques. they're actually going up instead of down. so i think a lot of police

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sure the scene is safe, and i think they stand back until they know they can go in. you know, it's interesting with body worn cameras, we developed the guidelines for them for the justice department. and when we worked with law enforcement on them, nobody wanted body worn cameras. the police were very opposed to them. and then the police realize they'd could be beneficial. what's so striking in this case is when i first heard about it, i thought -- i assumed that the officers weren't wearing body worn cameras. i assumed they were in plainclothes. it turns out they were in uniform and they were wearing body worn cameras. so how they could exhibit this behavior with body worn cameras is really astonishing. >> how it is possible? is it just a sense of they're in this specialized unit. they're the tough guys on the block, and it just went to their heads? i don't understand the logic of it.

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week and testified simply, each for about three hours, we're told, and testified about these documents about this search, what exactly they told them is unclear, but it's notable. because we knew that investigators wanted to speak to them. now they have gone and testified before the grand jury. so it shows one, they're bringing new people. in. >> right. if those were hired by a law firm, wouldn't they be covered by attorney/client privilege? >> that was a question that we asked at the time. we were told no, because they were technically brought on by the custodian of trump's records. that has become a big part of this, because whenever a president leaves office, they have a custodian of their records who basically handles everything with gsa. gsa is what helps facilitate that move. >> general services. >> yes. we asked about this when the search actually happened if that could potentially happen. even people in trump's own legal orbit did not think that would be the case. we'll see if they ever need that it's notable they went and spoke before the grand jury because it also comes, we're told, prosecutors ar ss are pushing t

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