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Likes to make mischief. as you saw at helsinki and other settings as well. >> you mention ed helsinki. you were there for the meeting when trump sided with russia. it was humiliating for the united states. how do you think putin is looking at biden compared to trump? he said trump is very talented but he hasn't said the same thing about the current president of the united states. >> he's been much more about that. they have both been around for a long time. they are trying to make the measure of this new formulation with both of them being president. i don't think that putin will expect biden ...

Right here in geneva on the shore of lake geneva that is where russian president vladimir putin and u.s. president joe biden are going to meet very soon for several hours of talks. one of the experts who helped prepare president biden for that meeting says the decision to keep that meeting behind closed doors was intentional. >> putin is always very well prepared. every meeting that i have seen him he's thought ahead, thought one step, two steps, three steps ahead, often meetings prepared with note cards. i think we've managed to diffuse potentially we the united states some of the miss chefs ...

His buy was different then trumps said vladimir putin which was also an interesting moment. >> john: he also went back to his meeting with president bush. he said he didn't have an internal friendship or love or anything like that and we both represent our countries and the relationship is pragmatic. former security advisor joins us now, great to see you and thank you for taking the time. what did you make of what you saw there from the russian president? >> the first thing i want to say as it was good staffing by jake sullivan and secretary blinken, not to put president biden with president p...

Table and sense weakness in an adversary and i think it would be impossible for him not to sense weakness in joe biden. he already caved on the nord stream pipeline going into europe which gives putin ready y access to energy. todd: let's take a trip to negative town. you study this stuff. you know the details. how could joe biden mess this up on wednesday? >> i think the odds of him making an actual oh, i'm going to cave and say sure, go ahead and invade ukraine are kindf slim. but what he's going to do without doubt is convince putin that there will be no consequences beyond public statement...

Sources close to vindman that they don't believe those claims have any merit. of course, vindman is not considered about any information that the president says has privately that may be coming out soon. one of the questions is whether or not he will be one of the officials who testifies publicly. democrats have already signaled they're going to start calling people. he is one they saw as key to make their case, and we're told, of course, the president has tried to imply he has political motivation. one key details, he carries around the 3 by 5 notecards and a me tick las and thorough note tak...