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of fbi agents. trump wrote, nothing like this has ever happened to the president of the united states before. trump said the raid which was unannounced amounts to, quote, prosecutorial misconduct, an attack by the radical left democrats who desperately don't want me to run for president in 2024, especially based on recent polls. trump said agents broke into his safe. former president noted that hillary clinton was allowed to delete and acid wash 33,000 emails aof they were subpoenaed by congress, but the d.o.j. did nothing about that. "the new york times" is reporting that the sear...

Conversation. i can't help but note congress expanded the irs enforcement agency by 87,000 new agents. you know, i think the burden of proof for the doj on this allegation, this investigation, into donald trump, is going to be more than the burden of proof in a court of law. the american people have lost trust in institutions, media, science, medical, fbi, intelligence agencies. what do you think, on the back end of this, stephen, will be the attitude of the american people toward institutions that have been granted inherited credibility for decades? >> look, people look at steve bannion and p...

Jeff joins us now. jeff, as you see everything unfold, and of course your recent experience, what's your reaction? >> well, will, thanks to you to be here, but i'm outraged for president trump, and more importantly i'm outraged for the presidency. this is an unprecedented step that just shows the department is being weaponized, that it's out of control, that the fbi is out of control. i'd heard earlier remarks by steve bannon about the deep state or the administrative state. i think of them as a live but separate, with the deep state being the intelligent apparatus and the fbi is part of that....

Sadly joe biden, seem to be running the fbi and its priorities. >> will: miranda, you characterized it as potentially a fishing expedition. shannon bream said they have to have their next steps in mind. whatever it is, i think something is clear, the burden of proof is going to be incredibly high on the american institution, because the electorate, a large percentage of the electorate, are looking at this with a great amount of jaundiced skep simple. miranda, great to talk to you this evening. >> you too, will. >> will: you're looking there on your screen of former president trump leaving trum...

Right. i think this is where, you know, the american people need to ask very difficult questions. congress needs to ask difficult questions. because at the end of the day if they're planning on bringing donald trump to washington, d.c. in front of a washington, d.c. jury and a washington, d.c. judge, you know, this republic is maybe not strong enough to bear that burden ultimately. but we will see. you know, the fbi is into an unprecedented area. the department of under democratic leadership i think is going into a dangerous field right now. >> will: matt, what happens next? what happens next?...