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Firing and the retaliation is something that jack smith and the grand jury will take note of. this meeting, though, i'm not so certain that it is going to go a long way in convincing someone that a crime was committed. i understand the fact that you have to prove intent or mens rea, but i don't think you get there by proving that donald trump is not smart or not a smart man. if that is a case, you could indict half of the united states senate. so i don't think that is going to go far. but i do believe the treasure trove of documents from rudy giuliani, when you tart turning over notes and text...

Wrong, it was the presidential records act, i declassified them, that just doesn't comport with the facts or what our sources tell us about the recording. >> paula, as you know, there are the political implications and legal implications. does trump's constant denial impact the case against him? >> well, it's something certainly prosecutors will take note of. it is not a crime to lie to reporters or at a town hall. they will take note of what you say publicly but only a crime if you lie to investigators. if voters feel they've heard this again and again, they may sort of tire as some of his co...

Those mental markers, i think, that people will take note of. >> dana: the fed went further than people anticipated or -- i thought it was all baked in, right? >> bill: whatever the cake is being baked. the forecast would suggest that the economy will slow in a way that we did not think for some time but that's on the horizon. markets open in 25 minutes and we'll see what happens then. the man accused of planning to assassinate justice brett kavanaugh indicted for attempted murder. the safety of the supreme court in focus as activists continue to protest outside the homes of the justices. stil...

We are getting a lot of back biting still from the french and the germans. zelensky's comments in the last three or four days -- president zelensky, president of ukraine, have been strange to me and not reflective what i found on the ground among ordinary ukrainians. i think that putin did not expect that the response to his bullying would be as strong and clear-eyed as it has been from this white house. i think he thought this white house is dead in the water after -- after afghanistan. i have to credit them. they have done a pretty good job in keeping the country and the world together. good...

It's certainly something we've taken note of. we have to point out we're seeing a lot of gear on this side of the russian border. the russians appear to have the capacity to escalate. certainly it does seem as though some of the gear they have here seems to be broken down and needs to be towed away. at the same time they seem to be moving rocket launchers, something closer to the battlefront in kharkiv which is a troubling sign for the folks who are up there and defending that city, jim. >> broken down or sometimes out of gas. i tell you, fred, it's remarkable. you talk about battlefield intel...