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Do me a favor though, and lists the things he wants. also, what do you think about sondland's credibility? he says he's not a notetaker. he said maybe his memory isn't the best and needed to be refreshed. >> everyone remembering different pieces of it in different ways, coming back and with sondland editing or adding bits and pieces to the testimony that makes it hard to unpack the order of events. sondland himself candidly says he doesn't have notes. he's not a notetaker guy. he said that openly. and didn't have access to e-mails and records that might help him recreate some of the memories. ...

Said that there are records of these emails. there are text messages. and you know, i think -- >> and that he doesn't even have access to them. >> and was denied access to some of them. i think it's true the best defense is yeah we did it, but, you know, it's not such a big deal. but i think it gets harder and harder if the democrats are able to get access to the documents. >> one thing on the naming names by the way and to your point gloria about dropping all the people in. i believes since this happened today both pompeo and pence issued a denial of the claims that sondland made in his testi...

Holmes, the senior u.s. embassy official in ukraine who overheard that phone conversation between the president and ambassador sondland at that restaurant in kiev. >> so i think david holmes is going to be interesting because gordon sondland toll us yesterday he's not a note taker. david holmes is a note taker. and he was shocked by that conversation. he went back, he memorialized it. and we're going to hear exactly -- he was able to overhear exactly what was said. >> and you know what the attack is going to be on him. you heard it from the republican counsel yesterday. in that deposition he w...

Saying, you never had a conversation directly with the president. >> again, no defense. if there was a defense, these people would be coming forward. one of the things also striking about david holmes was the level of detail in everything he talked about. gordon sondland yesterday said he wasn't a notetaker, david holmes is a notetaker. practically verbatim description of how the two tables were put together. why it's so important, if you look back at sondland's testimony, how many times did he say, i don't remember, at a very specific point in his testimony. whenever it got close to the presi...

Zelensky to look into the bidens. neither request had been included in the official talking points for the call prepared by the nfc staff but both were in donald trump's personal interest and the interests of his 2020 reelection campaign. and the ukrainian president knew about both in advance in part because of efforts by ambassador sondland and volker to make him aware of president trump's demands. the next day july 26, in kiev, holmes served as a note taker during a meeting between acting ambassador bill taylor, volker and sondland with president zelensky and other senior ukraine officials. ...