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Normally in a meeting like this it's documents like a deposition. it's documents they want to present to the person. >> yes. he's known as a note taker. it's ironic because he's thought of as a comic figure. because he was beaten by the press so much at press conferences. but he took a lot of note, and then he would go back and talk to the president about it. even if this is related to the russia investigation, there are a lot of questions pertaining to that investigation, he would have gone back to the president and asked for specifics. he may have written things down that prosecutors don't k...

He's going to keep searching until he finds someone to devour. and he is going to search, and notes and all these things. if it's not about russian collusion, which is what jim says, then what's it about? and you can go forever and find something wrong, and i think this is a kind of witch-hunt in search of a witch and i think it's a disservice to the country. >> thank you, i was trying to. >> you've been in the white house where there was an ongoing investigation that went from one point a to point b. >> yeah, and it's not fun. the problem with spicer being a note taker is not spicer's problem...

It's like a deposition, they have documents they want to present to a person? >> yes. he's known as a note taker. it's ironic because he's thought of as a comic figure. he took a lot of notes and would go back and talk to the presidentb. even if this is related to the russia investigation, there are a lot of questions pertaining to that investigation, he would have gone back to the president and asked for specifics. he may have written things down that prosecutors don't know about and will prove useful to them. >> the fact they kept notes is fascinating. >> the question is how much information...

National security council chief of staff, lieutenant general keith kellogg was interviewed in september. also today, nbc news learned the senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed former trump advisor carter page. page says he plans to testify, but the committee expects he'll invoke his fifth amendment right. with us for more on all of it, shannon petty piece, white house correspondent for bloomberg, and paul butler. paul, i think you lawyers call it exposure. what possible exposure does sean spicer have, in this case subset question, is it a good thing or a bad thing that the guy is known ...

>> john, also we found out that sean spicer, former press secretary, he was interviewed by bob mueller's team on monday. sean is an avid note taker, apparently. how much could spicer potentially contribute to the special counsel's probe? >> oh, i think he could be an enormously important witness for a whole variety of reasons. if you think about it, he was privileged to be present at a number of occasions. for example, on the occasion when the president was speaking with a group of people and asked everyone to leave, spicer was among those asked to leave. and if i recall the account correctly,...