national security council chief of staff, lieutenant general keith kellogg was interviewed in september. also today, nbc news learned the senate intelligence committee has subpoenaed former trump advisor carter page. page says he plans to testify, but the committee expects he'll invoke his fifth amendment right. with us for more on all of it, shannon petty piece, white house correspondent for bloomberg, and paul butler. paul, i think you lawyers call it exposure. what possible exposure does sean spicer have, in this case subset question, is it a good thing or a bad thing that the guy is known as a copious note taker? >> so, brian, you'll remember spicer didn't leave the white house under the best of circumstances. and there's nothing like having