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Which if they follow certain protocols, that might turn the loan into a grant. >> is treasury not talking to they banks that they're not all of the same page? >> they are talking. one of the things is the magnitude of the program. the bill was huge. it included about 350 billion for small businesses, but the treasury is working with the federal reserve on developing a main street facility, but that's not up and running yet, either, in terms of direct loans to small businesses which we're waiting for, as well. >> peggy, thank you. stay close. i'm going to talk to you again in just a little bit....

Figures, but nearly all of that is classified as replacement wall. it's not new wall. the white house declined to comment on the report, and the paper notes kushner's defenders in the administration say he is bringing a private sector approach to the project. that brings us to steve ratner's chart. it's not just "the washington post" reporting, it's also the commissioner of customs and border protection who said from the podium at the white house, 83 miles of wall, all of it just renovation of existing wall. there has been no new wall. there is no new wall. >> not quite, but let me come to tha...