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Sanction, maybe with the participation of the american fbi expert to deliver the evidence and to demonstrate the transparency. >> okay. >> and point number three for mariupol, definitely we need the assistance of the whole world. we are very much welcome the steps undertaken by the secretary of general of united nations, mr. goo tareguterres be need the world to help civilian to evacuate people from mariupol, to create humanitarian corridor because this is a vital thing. >> mr. president, you, of course, preceded volodymyr zelenskyy as president of ukraine. you've been critical at times of his...

Incredibly intense, those bombardments from russia have not stopped. the fighting by the ukrainian forces has been fierce and at some point, russians were able to gain access inside of that steel plant. the fear is unimaginable in that plant for those civilians whose children are also with them, some of them at least 30 children were in there, according to the mayor of mariupol. it is a terrible situation for the civilians, and frankly for the soldiers trying to repel the russians as they focus much of their attention on that area and on that plant in mariupol. >> and we should note, russia ha...

From ukrainian marine and ukrainian national guard battalion who now doing their best to reach two results. first result is to tie division more than 20,000 russian soldiers for more than 70 days, to help ukrainian soldiers on other part of the front, to consolidate. this is the great and important role. and point number two, they're saving ukrainian civilians, ukrainian victims, and absolutely confident that the military crime of the russian soldiers in bucha, by the way, are still insist the whole world, including the united states should introduce bucha list or mariupol list with military c...

Confront isis. tell me what that would have done to u.s. interests in the region. >> that would not have helped us at all. but i want to come back, jim, and erica, to one point you make about esper. he's listed all these episodes, but you have to ask was there any single one episode that would have been so egregious by the president that he should have resigned over it? and i guess in his view, as he looked at it, he adds it up after he's come out of offices and said this guy shouldn't have been president, can't trust him. there wasn't a single triggering event. this is the case -- this is wha...

>> when esper pushed back, he recounts president trump saying we could just shoot some patriot missiles, take out the labs quietly adding no one would know it was us. joining us is ron brownstein senior editor for "the atlantic." there is the craziness of the missile coaccount as we know. what stood out to me, from this in the new york times is esper warning his subordinates to be on high alert for unusual calls from the white house in the leadup to the election. given where we are at this point, with all the revelations that we have heard, with all the accounts that have come out, since donal...