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Of that? >> well, yeah. it is. but we have seen it citywide. this park was one of the more dangerous places in the city. just a couple of decades ago. and you know, guys, i sought transition. i was a young police officer back in the 1990s when the transition from the david continue constituency as mayor era with the more loose police policies rudy giuliani era happened. what was the difference? the key difference was giuliani fully embraced this policy called broken windows policing in conjunction with commissioner bill bratton and jack maple. and what they did was, prior to that very simply, ...

Show. >> it is. some people have been dismissive of all the attention to this gang, but it has rebuilt itself. it's not a homegrown gang. it was formingd by people who came from central america decades ago illegally. so that was a failure in border security. but, ice and other law enforcement agencies were able to stifle it for a while there. but in recent years, it's really rebounded because of this -- it took advantage of this surge of unaccompanied minors that's been going on for several years and also the lack of immigration enforcement. so they have come back with a vengeance and this is ...

Some people have been dismissive of all theow attention to this gang, butee it has rebuilt itself. it's not a homegrown gang. it was formed by people who came from central america decades ago illegally. so that was a failure in border security. but, i.c.e. and other law enforcement agencies were able to stifle it for a while there. but in recent years, it's really rebounded because of this -- it took advantage of this surge of unaccompanied minors that's been going on for several years and also u u the lack of immigrationng enforcement. so they have come back with a vengeance and this is not j...

Happening with the nypd? >> well. we talked about the -- the gentleman who -- staten island. selling the cigarettes. >> eric garner. >> it is some unfortunate situation that happened. you know, these guys were doing their job. something went wrong. maybe things got to be changed. >> what do you mean? >> maybe, you know, selling cigarettes isn't exact lowly doesn't mean the guy is dangerous. nuisance crimes. >> did he ever have anything to say about, you know the current rift with the police department and the mayor? the guys in the street dealing with things. they should get the support. >> di...

Ferguson, missouri. we went there and met with the mayor and the police chief and local officials. and they told us that there's a situation there where, you know, there are these nuisance crimes, like having a sticker on your license plate and if you don't, you get a fine. before you know it, there's a warrant for your arrest. before you know it, you're in the criminal justice system. so we have to stop making policemen tax collectors for the city government. >> all right guys. thank you both. go ahead. last word. >> i was going to say, that said, there's a reason they do that. it's because t...