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Felt like he had some kind of destiny. >> laura: now, if beto has the feel of a new obama, that's no mistake. team obama's fingerprints are all over the candidacy of o'roark. in the piece, we learn that beto was former white house speech writer on a trip when he was a congressman to asia in support of the tpp. and then, there was former obama white house opt staff emmett -- who was hired by o'roark to organize a really big rally in austin where willie nelson performed. cool. and let's not forget, thuds guy that produced that spectacular obama victory rally in chicago on election night in 2008 ...

Thoughts on hillary clinton who i guess, maybe they need a woman to get the job done over there running for president. she is still dangling out the prospect of running. and it looked a little more likely today that she was actually going to throw her hat in the ring. everything you exposed about hillary in the email server, how good would that be? >> peter: i think it would be a enormous gift to president trump if hillary clinton were to run. what i'm betting on terry mcauliffe, the former governor of virginia will be the stalking horse for the clinton machine. the long time associate. he rai...

Is that true? >> that's thougnot true either because it goes to your turnout models. he also enjoyed -- what was it -- obama was running, was it? yeah. >> yeah, right. so -- >> so, you had tremendous african-american turnout, where you will have it this time, but i don't know that you'll have the same money on the ground this time as the obama machine did. >> if judge moore should be successful, this was a problem for the national gop in so far as in 2018, every democrat will link their opponent to judge roy moore. he will essentially become the running mate for every democrat running anywhere...

If i'm wrong that judge moore when running successfully in that 2012 race for chief justice, only won by four points. he's never been rock-solid. is that true? >> that's not true, either. because it goes back to your turn-out models. he also enjoyed what was it, obama was running, was it? >> yeah, yeah. >> is you had tremendous african-american turn-out. you haven't this time. i don't know that you'll have the same money on the ground this time as the obama machine did. >> if judge moore should be successful this is a problem for the national gop in so far as in 2018, every democrat will link ...

Closing the door. what do you make of that? >> it's 2017, election will be 2020 and always -- >> start running 1 1/2 years from now. >> as much as joe biden may want to get into race and think he has something to contribute, from what i see, democrats have the same problem as republicans, there's a disconnect between the voters on the ground, everyday lives and establishment. and joe biden, popular as he may be, still seen as part of that establishment. not sure he would have ease letter time generating support he would need for a run than hillary clinton did. >> but joe biden has ties to the ...