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Bernie sanders and elizabeth warren have conviction and passion. we think the the leftward direction is dangerous. can joe widen biden on the health care issue and how far left can you go? can he make a policy argument is not just trump will beat us but here is why you are wrong. but he has a performance challenge. and then proving to democrats he can win a campaign against elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. >> and kamala harris came out with her health care plan which is medicare for all except she wants people to keep private insurance which is very different than sanders and warren. again...

I think it is a lowball. paul: you do? >> people usually utilize more healthcare when it is free. paul: and that is a figure from a respected financial fiscal analyst. so, is a fascinating issue, dan. because we will see who will win this healthcare debate. >> yeah. at that the democratic position is, they run on this idea of healthcare for all, take power and then deal with the wreckage afterwards, just like they did with obamacare.let's try to understand something. they call it medicare for all, universal healthcare or single-payer. it all means the same thing. 155 million people have employ...

Health coverage. in wisconsin, we had a high risk pool that allowed those to actually buy insurance as a little more expensive, but they could afford it. you don't to want see folks who had cancer or heart attack not be able to buy insurance. but we've got to do it the right way. also, i mean, jake, you can run for congress al 25. obamacare let's us stay until 26. we might have to relook at that and maybe say 22 or 23. get people through college, but not, you know, not into their young adult life. that just gets to be really expensive and drives up the cost. and so, i think we have to look at ...

>> when it comes to obamacare never trust a chef who won't eat in his own restaurant. we knew that. we knew that all the time. if a politician had to live by their own decisions they would never become politicians. that's the whole point. you can live above everybody else. the metaphor i like the most is when it comes to school vouchers. the fact that there are so many politicians that vote against the school vouchers that allow the poor to have choices in where to send their kids they deny them that while sending their brats to the best private schools in the world. this is how they live. i a...

>> when it comes to obamacare never trust a chef who won't eat in his own restaurant. we knew that. we knew that all the time. if a politician had to live by their own decisions they would never become politicians. that's the whole point. you can live above everybody else. the metaphor i like the most is when it comes to school vouchers. the fact that there are so many politicians that vote against the school vouchers that allow the poor to have choices in where to send their kids they deny them that while sending their brats to the best private schools in the world. this is how they live. i a...