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Within a day "the washington post" reporting that trump was being investigated for obstructi obstruction. we now know trump tried to oust mueller in june when all of these things were going south and all the questions to have authorities say he was not under investigation but lew up in his face with authorities saying he was. a man with firsthand experience on these types of challenges, he worked on ken starr's team of investigators as associate independent counsel. do the "new york times" reports suggest that trump was trying to do something wrong? >> it certainly does, ari, it suggests that ...

Office. what is your assessment of where this is right now? >> i think what makes sense now is this is a russian intelligence operation on all fronts. my colleague and i are watching it in social media. i think the most startling part is exceeded wilder success than they imagined. they vice president gotten all of their foreign policy objectives. it has put our country into chaos. they want us americans fighting each other. i think what this is not so much about the collusion aspect but obstructi obstruction. when you look at the investigation collusion is where we started. obstruction is wher...

Testified that was his intentions in leaking the memos detailing communications with the president. it is what we learned is actually at this decision to open this file if you will on trump was made actually before the special counsel was actually named which was just a few days later. >> for president trump, the irony is his own actions in firing comey actually led to then this evolution, ultimately led to this special counsel and led to the special counsel according to your reporting and investigating him for obstructi obstruction. >> when you think about it, when comey in his first meeting ...

Criminal case for obstruction. on the counter-intel case, that's going to continue to run forward. those stepptend to run two, thr four years. they tend to be a long run. the american public saying when are we going to see this. every time pushes a new variable in the investigations, it extends out counter-intelligence investigations. so i think this is really about how was russia influencing the u.s. and then you look at all the connects to the trump campaign, each one of those is an investigation in and of itself. >> you know, the bigger problem also for donald trump is you have harold ford,...

We don't believe anything trump has to say and comey has this impeccable reputation. at the end of the day, you say even if it's true, would this be obstruction? i'm afraid it would be hard to make that case. >> let's go up to capitol hill now where we go to house committee jim himes of connecticut. good to have you with us this morning. you and your democratic colleagues said jim comey needs to come and appear on capitol hill in a public hearing. do you believe based on the contents of that memo james comey wrote and now related to the "new york times" this morning that president trump obstru...