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Espionage, per se, it's willful retention. donald trump had sensitive, confidential information relating to military plans. he knows that's what this is and he's sharing the information some how or other with outsiders with no security clearance. then you get to the obstruction angle, let's remember when this happens, july of 2021, at this point national archives several months before come to trump's team and said, hey, we have some concerns you have some documents that you shouldn't have. we need them back. yet at this point he's already in the process of hiding those documents from the archi...

Zooming towards its conclusion. we know therefore one of the things that he's said he wanted to talk about but of course there's no question that trump's lawyers would be trying to glean as much as information as possible from their doj interlock or t utors about a caj could be building against their client. >> let's have that public bluster. let me show that to everybody. >> the angle they're pushing on the obstruction is to try to create some sort of daylight between joe biden's possession of documents and president trump's. and it's not going to work. i mean, they have literally put in ever...

What sticks out to me is the comprehensive nature of this factual background that jack smith appears to have been compiling in the case that he does shchoose to bring indictments. we thought there was on obstruction angle. we have seen a lot about that in the search warrant back in august 2022. this shows that donald trump brought documents, classified documents to mar-a-lago but he knew he had them. he knew that they were still classified and he knew he couldn't disseminate them to other people. this goes to the intent. this underlies and undercuts the potential defense issue that he was goin...

Declassified the moment he removed them. >> the angle is to try to create daylight between joe biden's possession of documents and president trump's. it's not going to work. they have literally put in everybody in the grand jury you can imagine. they don't respect any privilege that president trump holds and it's desperately trying to find an obstruction angle that isn't there. >> he may be a good lawyer but these are ludicrous messages. this is absolutely bottom of the stuff from the communication standpoint. there's no such thing you have know more intelligence officials than i do. there's n...

The subpoena was served and that trump personally examined at least some of those boxes. what's your client's response to this assertion >> well, it's nonsense i mean, look, there's been a campaign of leaks from doj unlike anything i've ever seen i was a prosecutor for 27 years. i've spent 17 at this department of justice i don't recognize it anymore they are consistently leaking. the angle they're pushing on the obstruction is to try to create some sort of daylight between joe biden's possession of documents and president putin's, and it's not going to work they have literally put in everybod...