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Attempt to fire robert mueller, which he was told would be, at the very least, politically catastrophic and then an apparent shift back. i think it's also interesting that the story said that the president mulled the idea of firing a deputy fbi director rod rosenstein. so i think all of this together is evidence -- it could be evidence that shows intent, an intent to stop this investigation, an intent to get in the way. and as this obstruction aspect of the investigation moves forward, this is going to be something that's very important to robert mueller and his investigators. >> jeremy bash, ...

Is evidence -- it could be evidence that shows intent, an intent to stop this investigation, an intent to get in the way. and as this obstruction aspect of the investigation moves forward, this is going to be something that's very important to robert mueller and his investigators. >> gerald bash, who admits to being a harvard-educated lawyer himself, how big is this? >> the code does state someone who does endeavor to try to impede or stop an investigation is guilty of an offense. so there is an intent in the statute, brian. but i would think the prosecutor would not bring charges on that basi...

Of comey, then the pressure on other officials including members of congress, to message the frustration about this investigation and ultimately an attempt to fire robert mueller, which he was told would be, at the very least, politically catastrophic and then an apparent shift back. i think it's also interesting that the story said that the president mulled the idea of firing a deputy fbi director rod rosenstein. so i think all of this together is evidence -- it could be evidence that shows intent, an intent to stop this investigation, an intent to get in the way. and as this obstruction aspe...

Collusion but also obstruction. trump doesn't seem to realize how serious the obstruction aspect of this actually is. and that kind of arrogance is really going to backfire as it already has in some way with that tweet we saw with michael flynn. when after michael flynn pleaded guilty to the fbi, you saw trump come out and tweet, i fired him because he lied to the fbi. that actually would have been an admission of obstruction of justice the way many people read it because the original explanation he gave was that he fired him for lying to mike pence, not the fbi. >> right. >> so things like th...

Think it will be longer is based on the nature of the investigation, from what's publicly viewable? >> right. the trials for manafort and rick gates that are -- they haven't been set yet. michael flynn, who's cooperating in ongoing way with mueller. george papadopoulos, cooperating. you have a ton of witnesses that have yet to be interviewed by mueller. and these are all going to help him build a case not only for collusion but also obstruction. trump doesn't seem to realize how serious the obstruction aspect of this actually is. and that kind of arrogance is really going to backfire as it alr...