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Misdemeanors, they should start an inquiry. is that decision being held up by fear of political fall out? and should that matter? the chairman of the dnc is here. welcome back to primetime. always good to have you, sir. >> great to be with you, chris. >> so i get it. i get it as a political calculation. >> let's go slow and see when the people come along. let's see when there's consensus but is that doing the job of congress? nowhere in the constitution does it say if popular then do this. this is your job. if you feel that way. and even nancy pelosi keeps saying things clearly in line with wh...

Congress? nowhere in the constitution does it say if popular then do this. even nancy pelosi keeps saying things clearly in line with what would require that duty. >> well, chris, i had the privilege of working at the justice department for over a decade and i prosecuted a lot of obstruction cases. and i know the statutes pretty well. what you have to do is gather the facts. i understand the sense of urgency that people feel. this is the most dangerous president in american history. there's such a mountain of serious allegations and then you have the president today or yesterday saying i didn'...

Most of his public appearances, he simply read from a script yesterday, which tells us that those were very informed differences. and he could have been talking generically out in the ether about obstruction cases, but he didn't. he made it very concrete, very personal to this president, who is, after all, the only subject that they appear to have considered for obstruction, and he used the language when, meaning that in his sense there were cases in this investigation where prosecutors did not get evidence that they would expect to. and the report gives us some detail there, so i will add on ...

I listened to the words of bob mueller and it really makes me appreciate sort of the clarity and the directness that bill barr approached this issue. look at, obstruction -- reaching conclusions -- and let me put my prosecutors have back on for a while, i do that for a long, long time -- prosecuting obstruction cases are very difficult. it's not like you got 10 kilos in the trunk, okay? arrest, indictment, conviction. obstruction cases are very, very difficult. factually and legally. bill barr and his team -- not just bill barr, but rod rosenstein and his entire team at the deprived of justice...

Substantial and comprehensive debate for the public over what this president has done. >> so there's no smoking gun, as far as you can tell? >> depends what you call a smoking gun. i talked to a former federal prosecutor the other day who successfully prosecuted dozens of obstruction cases, and he said he never had in any of those cases as much evidence as the mueller report. >> let me go at this a different way. hakeem jeffries says why should we begin impeachment if we're winning? do you think the democrats are winning when it comes to getting the information you want from the white house? >...