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President to behave when you have a legitimate investigation that needed to get answers, and all he did was try to find ways publicly to obstruct it. again, not in a criminal way, but in ways that we all could see. those -- that's not a way for a president to behave to undermine his own government. >> and reading this and seeing this and the whole obstruction issue, now you understand why the president's team did not want to fire mueller, why did not want him to do anything that would -- they were very concerned. it's clear about the obstruction issue. >> the president's lawyers? >> yeah. and ...

Hold back. see what this is. they felt good after friday with no indictments. so there was a message sent to him that it is bet are for you to wait on this and he took it. >> ashley, do they feel like there's now no danger in the president talking about this? we had been having this ongoing conversation every time he picks up the phone to tweet something, he could be putting himself in legal jeopardy. have those questions been put to rest? >> that's a good question. i don't know the answer. it's two-fold, in general his aides and certainly his lawyers feel the less tweets, the better. that's a...

Rather than the four-page document from the attorney general. >> everybody stand by. shimon, you know a lot about the southern district of new york, the u.s. attorney there. where's this heading? >> i would say -- and as we've been reporting, i think this is something that still consumes the president and consumes the president's attorneys. they are concerned about the southern district of new york. they are still in the middle of this campaign finance violation where the president's been implicated. it is the department of justice, just for everyone to keep in mind, that's implicated the pres...

That's their word, about the investigation overall. do you buy into that? do you think this is a smart strategy? do you think mr. barr has credibility to make these decisions or not? >> i think the problem that bill barr has to deal with is this memo that he wrote before he came to the job in which he prejudged obstruction of justice. but he has a really easy method for clearing that question up, which is to release robert mueller's report, to release all of the underlying evidence, to let congress engage in the inquiry that they need to engage in and to let the american people see it for them...

Democrats have been pushing collusion, what they called a collusion conspiracy. this is how they're going into 2020. one of my colleagues, betsy cline, just spoke to a senior trump campaign official a few moments ago who said this is going to be one of the tools they use to try to woo moderate voters going into this next election. moderate voters have been pulling away from president trump for a long time, particularly in the suburbs. it's one of the factors that helped democrats win the house of representatives. it's really an open question right now whether that will actually be effective. b...