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He led chants of "lock her up." he was called the donald trump whisperer. those two men had a very close relationship, and had a lot of influence over donald trump's policies and what he would say about foreign relations while they were on the campaign trail. he was not one of those who was telling donald trump to back off bear hugging russia, back off bear hugging vladimir putin. he was not doing that. so yeah, we'll see what he had to offer the special counsel. you have one more? >> one quick one. remember, this is the obstruction investigation. it's trump trying to put a quash on the invest...

Lawyers mean that they are far down the road. it makes sense that they would not want comey to be answering in the transcript that would go public. he will be a witness then and has been a witness. they are looking at it and there is a lot of danger for the president on obstruction issue. particularly he has a situation where he submitted answers in writing. they are likely to be contradicted by what cohen's evidence is and worse for him under that unusual joint defense agreement. it's possible that the alleged falsehoods by manafort conformed to inaccuracies in trump's written statement which...

Which could be involved in the de-escalation proceed inings ate hill or he is not going to proceed with the obstruction issue -- any way to the know? >> well, it is hard to know what to know what is sgis going on, t some things that we can infer. as ken pointed out the flynn sentencing is going forward and the gates' sentencing is not. that tells us that robert mueller feels he is done with mike flynn. so whatever information they need, they would have delayed the sentence after he has co completed the cooperation so that the person can earn credit and the pros ecutor has leverag over that per...

Assurance that paul manafort would be pardoned. i'm not sure you couldn't surmise that from the president's tweet that we met, he questions the case, the tax case. justice took a 12-year-old tax case. he questions the underlying case. applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike cohen, he refused to break. such respect for a brave man. he never said anything that nice about the commander who captured bin laden, but that's for another show. but don't we have public-facing evidence of both the president's intent and of the signals he was clearly sending manafort as well as the history of his fo...

Did know. >> on the flip side, though, these are all incidents that we've already reported on, knew about. it's not like something outside the realm of anybody's mind. certainly his lawyers would have seen them coming. >> i think they should have. in his lawyer's minds and they are right, mueller already knows the answers to these questions. usually you wouldn't ask these kind of questions hoping to get information. company be in a tough spot. remember he's still got -- that was the collusion questions. he still has the obstruction issue and mueller hasn't agreed to questions on that. that's w...