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Not want the president to testify in any way, shape, or form. that's goods news. if they get a take home test, even in it's on collusion, that's fine. they would rather they answer on collusion. >> does this mean there will not be an interview? >> we don't know. the obstruction issue, the question with the president's lawyers say there is executive privilege. this took 3.5 weeks to respond to the president's lawyers. it doesn't seem that anybody is in a rush. >> woodward describes john dowd as putting the president through mock interviews and according to woodward, the president did

This and going into the midterm, it is going to cause the kind of the firestorm that almost ensure s the blue wave that people are talking about, and it is also going to tie up po ten slal the supreme court nomination process which is really what republicans want to the focus on, and finally, back to mueller, the obstruction issue is front and center from what we are hearing, so this could play directly into that part of the investigation. so there is many reasons not to do it. i don't know if itt is going to stop president trump, but certainly, the rationals for not doing it are there. >> and...

>> abby, thanks for the reporting. susan hennessey, let me bring you back in to get a few beets with you on all of this. let me read you the quote from the president where he tells reuters yeah, i think a sit down with mueller could be a perjury trap. it's my word against comey's and he's best friends with mueller so mewl might say well i believe comey and if i'm telling the truth that makes me a liar, that's not good. i don't know that comey and mueller are best friends. that aside, comey does have contemporaneous memos that could hold weight in the eyes of mueller's team but if it would be c...

Lot of tweets, sometimes we love the president's tweets, sometimes we cringe on the president's tweets but they're trying to make a political -- >> he's saying you have to keep republicans in control of congress because we'll see an impeachment. it's not that different than what he said publicly but what is the significance here? >> i think the idea that any of this is politically motivated by mueller is probe ridiculous. the obstruction issue is very real and something the president's lawyers are concerned about. i think it's on the top of their mind and what they're trying to get mueller not...

Obstruction because obviously that is where perhaps they feel that the president has the most sort of kind of chances of perhaps maybe facing some kind of violation, some charges or there may be a report that may be issued which would be negative on the whole obstruction issue so they were trying to limit his exposure on that. we don't know exactly what rudy giuliani and the team is presenting to the special counsel. but nonetheless, significant in that they are still negotiating, still trying to work this out. >> okay. thank you very much for walking us through that. let's get the legal take ...