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And of course it relates to russian meddling, it relates to russia's attempts to interfere in the u.s. election. we will hopefully have another shot later on today when he departs for bedminster, andrea. >> and michael schmidt, you've got a lot of reporting, you and your team as well, that robert mueller has been asking people about the whole issue of the president's tweets and whether that could play into a potential obstruction issue. give us the background there. >> yeah, so the president has said a lot of things about james comey, the former fbi director, jeff sessions, the attorney genera...

Does robert mueller make the tactical decision of do i subpoena this president? >> i think the mueller team has probably concluded and i think they would be right, if they do subpoena him they win that court case. but it takes time. and the white house view, and they may not be wrong about this, time is working on their side. the longer they can draw this out while appearing to blame mueller for, it the longer in the public mind the russia investigation has been going on and the more appetite there is for the president's argument it's time to bring this to an end. so mueller isn't away fightin...

But it takes time. and the white house view, and they may not be wrong about this, time is working on their side. the longer they can draw this out while appearing to blame mueller for, it the longer in the public mind the russia investigation has been going on and the more appetite there is for the president's argument it's time to bring this to an end. so mueller isn't away fighting the clock. and is he prepared to use up the amount of time it would take to litigate? how much value does he think he would get from that presidential interview? i assume that's what he's debating. there's a fini...

Whether the former fbi director james comey was asked directly by the president to go easy on flynn or to let this thing go. let's listen to this exchange. >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey said he took it as direction. >> well, by that time, he had been fired. and he said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to be untrue. the reality is, as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by friends. you take that into consideration. but you know, that doesn't determine that n...

Is, pardoning everybody, but that was before all of the indictments that came out. at this point in time, they would not be -- paul: he's attempt to go cover up even though there's nothing to cover snup. >> that would be the perception. paul: okay, when you suggested pardoning, you were saying everybody, that including hillary clinton, anybody involved in clinton e-mail case, basically sweep everything of this issue and put it all behind it? >> no, no, entirely behind but one caveat, we were suggesting at the time letting congress, have congress seriously investigate with nobody being able to ...