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Jury and i see that, that tells me they did not read it or they read it and didn't care. they are not getting it. >> yeah, the obstruction question is very, very interesting. >> scott, the grand jury noted that when asked about the individual wearing a skirt in the female bathroom which is a biological male, of course, the school board members were quick to claim he was instead wearing a kilt, scott, they just don't stop playing politics here? >> no, they don't, they just lie, lie, lie and lie. i can show you the pictures of what he looked like that day. it is on my phone in my pocket. there w...

Is this something he made up, or did someone tell him this was the case? so it would require some interviews to get to that point. so i think mark meadows for so many reasons could be a very valuable witness in both the mar-a-lago case and the january 6th case. >> katie, it's friday, been a remarkable week of sort of incremental reveals. but as barbs talking you realize that what's become clear is that this is very active on both sides. sort of going back and forth now with donald trump's legal team in a way that maybe at the beginning they didn't think they'd have to before there was a judge ...

Should have been responsible for keeping that information safe, right? and secured? >> so -- >> i do said what you are saying, the case, it's gonna be tough to prove. >> the buck definitely stops with him from the point of, can you criminally prosecute for him -- it gets murkier, fast. >> what about the idea that when you look at all of this, these are the times that the archives at the department of justice reach out to, and four pages here. and he did not comply. >> when you measure that against security camera videos that show boxes being moved in and out of places during a time when they w...

Ongoing investigation that is being sort of thwarted in some way. a typical thing could be intimidating witnesses or hiding evidence. presumably this is the -- has to do with the doj investigation that was started as jessica says in february of 2022 into the documents that were taken out of mar-a-lago. and we also know, the letters were exchanged there was a letter sent from trump's counsel to doj in june -- may or june saying we believe that the president should not be criminally liable here. he has these broad powers. please give this to any judge that might look at this case. it wasn't unti...

>> it was an extraordinary moment that you just saw in that press conference. but one of the key questions about the speaker and her caucus are going to have to get their arms around over the next couple of days is the actual scope and scale of those articles of impeachment. some are known, some related to ukraine are coming no matter what. but the big question is obstruction question. democrats are signaling they will in fact include elements of that report into an article of impeachment in obstruction of justice. it's something democrats have cautioned against doing, democrats who didn't com...