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If he hasn't reached out to donald trump jr., that's a good sign that he's in the same category as roger stone who appears to be a target of the investigation. i want to say one thing about this piece of the investigation as it relates to the matt whitaker installation at the department of justice. one thing bob mueller, we can all agree on, is very prepared. i suspect he's known this was a possibility for some time. it's been rumored and leaked to the press. i would think on the collusion conspiracy side he's already returned indictments under steel that whitaker can do nothing to roll back o...

Last week by a justice department watcher to be very careful not to assume that bob mueller doesn't have as strong of an investigation or case on the conspiracy/collusion side as on the obstruction side. just because we don't hear as much about it to not assume that isn't just as strong and moving forward and closing in on this president. do you agree with that asse assessment? >> i do. when i saw first the indictment of the russian troll farm actors and the indictment of the russian gru military intelligence officers, it's clear that mueller's team not only knows a lot but has done an extraor...

Manafort does. he was at that meeting, if he flips and he hasn't flip was. and cohen has. documentary evidence and phone records of trump's actions and all kinds of aspects of the obstruction side of it. as well as the collusion side of it. so i don't buy the argument that this isn't important for the russia side of the investigation. >> this is a point that you have been making. >> this is striking to me on how history has repeated. nixon's personal lawyer, his bagman, the guy who carried around all the illegal cash to spread around. he wound up pleading guilty. and manafort being convicted t...

Party members that impeachment becomes a possibility. if there is real collusion on the wikileaks. >> you think it changes things. >> you are more optimistic than i because maybe for the past two years, we have witnessed this. all of a sudden they would wake up and say, you know what, this is a bridge too far. how many breaches do we need? >> i am saying as a practical matter the democrats end up winning the house. >> if russia doesn't collude. >> it looks for now that the democrats will win the house if they do and if there is real evidence on the collusion or the obstruction side, that is a ...

Recently as this january, that mueller wants to ask the president did you have criminal intent when you did these things. >> does that mean that the mueller team doesn't have that much on collusion and that case is not very strong? is that what that implies? >> we only know what this snapshot from march gave us. it gave us a snapshot that there is a lot more on the obstruction side. in terms of what we know from the public record, there is not a lot of things on the president's direct ties to russia, on stuff that he did personally himself during the campaign. certainly things that he said tha...