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I mean, they're negotiating terms. they're negotiating the length of the interview, the subject matter. i don't know about two subjects unless those subjects are collusion and obstruction, but i wouldn't be surprised that he is negotiating with them about what the subjects are going to be in an attempt to get them to finally sit down. >> daniel, what would make the president less valuable? what would be mueller's motivation to agree to a narrower list? >> well, to me it indicates he's not looking for a long fight, and he doesn't really want to subpoena him. there could be two reasons to do tha...

An attempt to get them to finally sit down. >> daniel, what would make the president less valuable? what would be mueller's motivation to agree to a narrower list? >> well, to me it indicates he's not looking for a long fight, and he doesn't really want to subpoena him. there could be two reasons to do that. one is he's just not that important a witness for the ongoing investigations. on the obstruction side -- >> really? >> well, on the obstruction side, it's really to hear him out and give him an opportunity to give his side of the story because he would be the one who was committing the obs...

Matter. i don't know about two subjects unless those subjects are collusion and obstruction, but i wouldn't be surprised that he is negotiating with them about what the subjects are going to be in an attempt to get them to finally sit down. >> daniel, what would make the president less valuable? what would be mueller's motivation to agree to a narrower list? >> well, to me it indicates he's not looking for a long fight, and he doesn't really want to subpoena him. there could be two reasons to do that. one is he's just not that important a witness for the ongoing investigations. on the obstruct...

The impeachment, he lost his arkansas bar license and he wasn't allowed to practice in front of the u.s. supreme court because an attorney cannot represent a client in this case of donald trump who is going to perjure himself, lie and defraud a court. and that is what's coming together in the trump world and it might be his ultimate unraveling. >> donna, something else a witness pointed out to me today is that the constant refrain is collusion isn't a crime. the other constant refrain on the obstruction side lying to a reporter isn't a crime. however, it was conversations with reporters that l...

Obstruction. there are investigators that have focused on collusion and others that have focused on finances. so these have all gone at the same time. they've moved together different prosecutors working on different things. i think these are things that have been running all along. on the obstruction side, there are only so many events to look at. the president has only been in office for so much time and they have gone through a lot of these things and spoken to a lot of the key players there. only a few of them left. jared kushner and the president being the two most prominent ones, but on ...