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The obstruction statute is broad, so he has been playing with a very, very dangerous bit of law. >> we've been talking all morning and yesterday morning about how there is a difference between sort of the political fall-out and the legal fall-out of all of this. do you think what you heard does rise to the level of becoming a criminal case? >> i think the answer to that question is yes and as jeff mentioned a little earlier, there is still more fact gathering to be done. anyone who saw director coats and admiral rogers testifying or avoiding acknowledging during their testimony the other day h...

>> well, first of all, we heard today, brooke, that there are no tapes because if trump is willing to swear to what happened, i believe jim comey. and, therefore, there must be no tapes. it's going to be a he said/he said situation. bare knuckle. that does create problems for the special counsel because you don't like to bring in an obstruction case based only on two witnesses. you want some corroboration. however, the comey memos are corroborated and, of course, there's an obstruction case here. in the united states, no man is above the law. the obstruction statute provides that if you act wi...

And for him to say i understood this to be essentially a direction to stop the investigation, i think, is a pretty striking comment. >> but i think this demonstrates -- the obstruction statute is very simple. what's not included in there is it doesn't care if there was russian collusion in the background. it's a separate independent felony. there's no feelings clause that tries to get into how it made you feel, which is part of the circus for this morning where the witnesses were talking about how it made you feel versus what the president actually said. and the other thing that's so interesti...

With me, the day after the naug immigrati inauguration, to find pictures of the immigration to show pictures of bigger crowds. if he does that for that, the question is does he call someone from the fbi, does he call comey or someone at a desk at the fbi? all of those things are things that you would imagine a president would want to do but is restrained from doing with proper advice from counsel. >> well, he certainly has no problem calling out judges on his twitter account and that's getting closer to the area of obstruction. the obstruction statute is actually somewhat narrow. there is no g...

All of those things are things that you would imagine a president would want to do but is restrained from doing with proper advice from counsel. >> well, he certainly has no problem calling out judges on his twitter account and that's getting closer to the area of obstruction. the obstruction statute is actually somewhat narrow. there is no grand jury at this point. so it's very hard to obstruct justice unless you actually have a court proceeding. >> interesting. >> because that's where justice is dispensed. there can be obstruction of congress and other things like that by lying to them and s...