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That record and enthusiasm outside of florida and we have not seen any major evidence that he can do that on a large scale. people obviously know who trump is and i think this primary, especially, is going to be about who is the best fighter. i think the level of frustration is just at its -- i think it's higher than it was in 2016, and it's a difficult trick to beat trump in the fighting category. >> sandra: and there are questions over whether or not he's going to maneuver farther to the right on trump than some of the issues, leaning into the culture wars ahead of a possible bid. what about...

A andres as well, they said oh, the gas line is there. i want to ask you about desantis, we think next week he'll get in the race. one of the latest polls, done up until the 13th, trump at 49, desantis at 21, desantis has not gotten in the race. do you think the number will change if he does? >> it's hard to see it changing a whole lot, at least immediately, he's been running, you know, under the radar he's been running for months now. but i also -- polling is so goofy and especially goofy this early, and so i don't put a whole lot of stock in that. but it's going to be really interesting to s...

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