It's a huge problem and not a problem from the donald trump view of this where it's like let's keep immigrants out but a problem from we need a system where people know what to count on. >> uh-huh. according to the new book parol by bob woodward and bob costa, tried to convince mike pence he could overturn the election by throwing out electors from steven states when the votes were certified on january 6th. it shows how close we came to really turning out this thing turning out entirely different really in the wrong way here, matthew. >> well, don, you know, as i read that and all of us, you k...