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Use specific language. but within our world, that is a very serious charge. it is very serious accusation because systems and people and laws must be in place or must be broken to do that. but to say that, perhaps, you know, went on our little intelligence internet and saw a reference to donald trump, an intelligence product, which could be coming from all oefrt world, including news media reports, i mean, at the end of this program, i'm sure brian williams will show up in someone's intelligence report. >> so will malcolm nance probably. >> yes. but that is not collection. that will not valida...

C.e.o. of hirshen entertainment and in that episode, you changed that guy's life, didn't we? >> yeah, we did. it was an amazing program and experience. 18 million viewers saw that show, steve and we got an unbelievable response from all oefrt world. it showed me there was a leadership crisis in america. so many people want to work for a company like that. >> we're talking about hersched entertainment, you had gone to the harvard business school. you had been an executive at g.m. for 20 years. that didn't teach you how to be a good leader until you got to this place. >> yeah. it's interesting. ...