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The $716 billion. they are on the offense. they don't no have a plan. the republicans this week did something which john said which is very important: they, for the first time, started to move this issue which they better do, from medicare to obamacare. since the supreme court decision handed them this, and we have talked about it, republicans have abandoned it and now they are back to obamacare. >>gregg: david axelrod said my 85-year-old dad will be kicked off medicare if romney is elected. that is not true. under this plan, anyone over 55 is not affected. >>pat: right, but what the obama cam...

Fact that it touch's ryan's home state, the president is at 266 and romney has to win everything else. he's got to win ryan's home state. he's got to win colorado. he's got to win nevada. he's got to win north carolina, virginia, and ohio. he can't afford -- and look at this. he's still not there. it comes down to tiny new hampshire. as you see the numbers here are very difficult for romney if he loses florida. you put new hampshire, as we told you, new hampshire sitting there, it would teeter back and forth. the bottom line here is this is the problem facing romney right now. florida and iowa...

Comfortable with? who do you believe is going to represent your values when it comes to restoring the economy and dealing with the deficit and spending? i think that's mitt romney. >> to me it's a battle of what issues become the defining issue. he left off medicare and social security, understandably. i have a feeling the president is going to want to push medicare on to that table and say, this is about the economy, taxes, and the safety net. >> what you saw robert gibbs do on this show a couple of minutes ago was basically define the issue basically saying, they want to steal your social se...

The very top. it's not a balanced approach. it's a totally lopsided approach and what we really need is an approach that makes tough cuts. as you know, the republican control act, we cut more than a trillion dollars over ten years. that was 100% cuts. but we need some balance. if we're going to responsibly address this issue, we've got to ask the folks at the very top to go back to contributing a little more to reduce the deficit because otherwise, as i said, the math is pretty clear. otherwise you're going to hit seniors on medicare. you're going to hit them hard. you're going to hit educatio...

Proposing. beginning with the affordable care act, worked to reduce the overall costs in the medicare system by changing the incentive structure based on the volume of care to one based on the value of care. that's very different than what romney/ryan are proposing, which is to shift those costs on to seniors, seniors who have a median income of $23,000. at the same time they are providing these huge windfall tax breaks to the very wealthy, to people like mitt romney. so these are the facts and it's important to set up the debate for the american people. >> do you feel as if the democrats shou...