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Debate. >> thank you. look, there is no question the white house is dealing with a credibility crisis, period. is president trump's trouble with the truth the biggest problem for him in motivating his agenda? with all the controversy surrounding the actual plans, is his ability to be believed even more important? let's get the bottom line. ( ♪ ) it just feels like anything is possible here in upstate new york. ( ♪ ) at corning, i test smart glass that goes all over the world. but there's no place like home. there's always something different to do like skiing in the winter, jet skiing in...

That that's what republicans wanted and that's far from it. and our leadership is saying there's a phase three but that gets frost the messaging so we continue to improve and the net affect is how do we get costs under control for families, how do we get more options so they're not stuck buying a one size fits all plan with the same essential benefits so they can choose a low cast plan and add features as they life-style changes or they age and move through the phases of life. >> i understand that that's your dream plan but your leadership is also saying this is it. this is the moment, this is...

He said he'll put pressure on republicans that don't vote for it, why not force the democrats to filibuster it and put the pressure on heidi heitkamp? put the pressure on joe manchin? put the pressure on the democrats not the republicans. we're doing this thing backwards. >> but it all threads together doesn't it, karen? the reason they're not doing what john astutely points out is because they want a big win. but there's a problem, their credibility and the credibility to sell this and stay focused have been marginalized usually by the president himself. how big an obstacle? >> that is a huge...

Of making his point, the mendoza line from baseball about being below 200. i think mendoza was 215 lifetime. if you fall below that, off real problem. >> but john saying he's not there yet. he has an 80% to 90% approval rate with republicans. that's not a credibility problem and, in fact, by the way, one more thing, in terms of getting the votes by tomorrow for the health care bill, people have counted donald trump out before and he's pulled off the votes in surprising ways. >> this is more ryan than trump in terms of whipping the votes. look at the people's reactions when they came out of the...

We just had conservative radio host john phillips on who said he doesn't have a problem with republicans, they don't like the health care bill but he went further and said his base, things like wiretapping russia, blah blah blah, they're concerned about their pocketbooks, as woe know. >> there's a little truth that and i would take his analysis but i don't agree. listen to what the "wall street journal" said, a conservative barometer of where he's going. "if he doesn't show more respect for the truth most americans macon collude he's a fake president." key word, most americans. he does have a ...