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Happens that everyone targeted happens to be the people who have a problem with the direction of this country is going under this president. just so happens that the benghazi issue is stifled just before the election. i don't think too many people would say there isn't a guilty verdict coming. >> geraldo: do you want a special prosecutor? what forum do we hash this out and discover the truth? the real facts, the real circumstances? >> i think you would want to have a special counsel for sure into the irs issue. i think the members of congress have been doing a good job so far. i think what you...

Deal out of his stepping aside. not a big deal, he was going anyways. but we will have actually shulman who was the irs commissioner at the time. and then we willle have the famous lois lerner who was in charge of the tax exempt division at the time. we will have some of the principals and find out how high up they knew and when they knew what was going on and again we are looking to see if the law in fact was violated. >> geraldo: and you have a situation now where you have these hearings going forward. do you expect now that it is clear that some officials in the treasury department knew abo...

For back into the '90s at the heavy handed overreach of the irs and the harassment of conservatives. you know, i frankly believe that this is criminal. i believe that they have violated 18 usc 241 and 242 which is con spea conspiracy te people of their civil rights. it is is view point discrimination and it is criminal. i hope that doj does their job. >> geraldo: what you believe, penny, is that they have done this for a generation now. >> yes. >> geraldo: what about the charge that during the bushed a a menstruation it was thadam j- during the bush administration it was the naacp and other gr...

Did it or not at the irs but she was in charge and if she is in charge again how you do we know. there is no possible way to know or to trust this woman. to know that she is not going to be in charge of another breech of confidence and confidential information. it is very serious. >> geraldo: and penny nance, your basic position is that this has been going on in democratic administrations since the '90s? >> absolutely. concerned women for america has a 501 c 3 and c4. from 1993 to 2000 my organization was targeted and harassed. the same kind of similar story. amazing, geraldo, none of us knew ...

Were notified and didn't make the changes they should have and it still hasn't been fixed. we will let congress do that side. we will focus on representing our clients. wouldn't be surprised if this goes higher than lois lerner. >> geraldo: juan, what to you think? goes as high as steve miller who resigned or the same question is the white house in on this? is this a huge scandal beyond the irs? what are you thinking, juan? >> the latest rerealation is that some treasury officials were informed about this in advance. treasury obviously takes you closer to the white house, geraldo and we don't ...