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She was in charge and if she is in charge again how you do we know. there is no possible way to know or to trust this woman. to know that she is not going to be in charge of another breech of confidence and confidential information. it is very serious. >> geraldo: and penny nance, your basic position is that this has been going on in democratic administrations since the '90s? >> absolutely. concerned women for america has a 501 c 3 and c4. from 1993 to 2000 my organization was targeted and harassed. the same kind of similar story. amazing, geraldo, none of us knew that any of this is going on....

They hired accountants to do this and didn't get donations and can document that. i expect that we will have more than 17 clients before we file this upcoming week. >> geraldo: and as you sit there tonight, jordan, are you convinced that the wrong doers were inside the irs or do you fear, do you expect, do you allege white house involvement? >> well, that won't really be part of our legal challenge. but you as we have seen throughout this investigation it all started for us when it was leaked by the head of the tax exempt organizations lois lerner at the aba meeting where she got the preset qu...

Misused. so we are going to look at every aspect and then we want to see how far up the chain of command people knew about what was going on. >> geraldo: i didn't mean to interrupt, congressman. with so much going on, the irs, benghazi, the ap probe, how do you know what to focus on? >> well, it as handful, i can assure you. we just got through with benghazi. i heard your leno clip and it was almost humorous that the president might want to go back to benghazi after the ap and cia story and now the treasury. we will find out wednesday. we a list of people, dave camp did a good job on friday wi...

It. you have got -- we are calling in the noninfamous sarah hall ingram. she was on the scene and then elevated to now she is going to or she has been leading i don't know if it was a reward or whatever for what she did but we will find that out, too. she will head up the irs division over obamacare. and there is going to be -- that is the enforcement agency. stop and think about that if you want to lose some sleep tonight. they will be the enforcers of obamacare. estimated 15 to 16,000 investigators people who have your personal information now your medical information and this woman who agai...

It. you have got -- we are calling in the noninfamous sarah hall ingram. she was on the scene and then elevated to now she is going to or she has been leading i don't know if it was a reward or whatever for what she did but we will find that out, too. she will head up the irs division over obamacare. and there is going to be -- that is the enforcement agency. stop and think about that if you want to lose some sleep tonight. they will be the enforcers of obamacare. estimated 15 to 16,000 investigators people who have your personal information now your medical information and this woman who agai...