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There are so many checks and balances built in from the field office level through the general counsel, the national security law review branch and comes up through the highest levels of the organization. and i can tell you having signed off on hundreds and hundreds of fisa, they never make it up the first time. they don't make it up the second time. there's numerous reviews before they even go across the street to be signed off by the deputy attorney general and attorney general. i've testified in fisa court many times. some of these testimonies take hours and there's a rigorous review. so i ...

It is to get a fisa warrant and so many steps. but you're saying it's way too high a price to just give away this information. >> that's absolutely right. and i'll tell you that's a good point you make. if you've been inside the national security arena, especially in the fbi or other united states intelligence community organizations, the fisa process on a u.s. person is extremely rigorous. there are so many checks and balances built in from the field office level through the general counsel, the national security law review branch and comes up through the highest levels of the organization. a...