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Credibility issues in the past, so they do have some room to maneuver, but this is -- up, whether michael cohen has an incentive any longer to not tell the truth, and he frankly comes across as pretty incredible right now in some of the things that he's saying about stormy daniels and about president trump. and it also lends itself to what other evidence has he given to investigators to prove his accounts, which michael cohen is saying he has provided additional evidence. >> and to your point, the president was referring to him as his personal attorney as recently as april of this year prior t...

Unless he just has a complete change of heart and realizes that a shutdown would be bad for him and bad for the country and bad for hundreds of thousands of federal employees that would be affected going into the christmas holiday. >> do you think he's getting that message from anybody, though? stephen miller certainly isn't giving it to him. >> that's right. it's interesting and we'll have to see what happens. >> all right. let's shift gears with what was happening today with rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney making his way around the talk shows, really slamming michael cohen. ...