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saying and i quote, "okively safer for the traveling public." but five times as many passengers are on trains and subways and a study found that huge holes are in security for rail passengers. holes that may be impossible to fix. with me now is someone who served as associate director of policy and plans in homeland security and as the associate director of enter governmental affairs in the homeland security council. big title, here is the small question: look, people get on trains. you know you are not screened. around the world you know they have been vulnerable, six times, since 9/11 we know terrorists have gone after the train systems in this country and yet to this day you walk on, you walk off there is no security. >>guest: there is no cost effective or easy way to screen each and every passenger that is on the train or subway in the united states. what we end up trying to do is