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Nuclear and missile arsenal. north korea has rejected that claim. so what we need to see his get this in writing. we need to have a common definition on what denuclearization is. if not global arms control. it's denuclearization of north korea. we need to get north korean commitment to international standards of verification. we need to get them to commit to fully abandoning their arsenal and their production capabilities as well as very early on getting a data declaration of the programs. that's all i think very tangible steps that we need to get very early on. >> shannon: any chance we get a...

Water's edge in the old days. i think it would be good if we just focused on the challenge at hand, which is dealing with kim jong un. >> shannon: 's there's been a lot of talk about these incremental steps about building a relationship that the president now says he enjoys with kim, about getting some very basic steps forward. but the question always goes back to verification. no matter what the north koreans sit down at the table and say they are now willing to do, willing to commit to, how in the world in this so-called hermit kingdom to we get verification? >> right, we'll there's no quest...

The first is to define what's new denuclearization means. that means on our part, explain exactly what we need. the second part is to have a roadmap to denuclearization and an agreement on that and the third is any kind of enrichment or advancement in north korea as we speak during those negotiations. >> as i moved to you, bringing up those goals that were the result of the singapore summit, these were the goals going into that, we just heard about some of them. continue that point and what do you think a win for the us would be? >> time for the us to return to its initial verifiable irreversi...

Expectations should be realistic. i think some of your guests and my former colleagues in the intelligence community have argued that it's strange the logic that kim jong un would amass this capability only to barter them away for food and energy and integration into the world economy but that's what we are here to find out. the president and john bolton's words as opening the door. he can't force kim jong un to walk through it but it's there if kim jong un wants to take some tangible steps for denuclearization. >> shannon: the president weeding out not long ago comedies of the democrats shoul...

This has not been a presidency littered with them, but the talks, the negotiations with north korea do promise a great deal. so, you know, another handshake will certainly be something that both he and kim want. they both want a win from this summit, but i think the skeptics are there looking with a very b beady eye. there has to be more than a simple declaration that the korean war is finally at an end. remember, the korean war ended in '53 not with a peace treaty just with a cease-fire, with an al armistice. there's needs to be a timetable on denuclearization. concrete evidence that kim jong...